Tiga Bayles interviews Sam Jeffries, Murdi Paaki Regional Assembly Chairman, Deputy Chair of the Indigenous Land Corporation (ILC) and Chairman of the National Aboriginal Sporting Chance Academy (NASCA). They talk about issues around the paper called 'Good Governance in a Traditional Sense”, – the reform agenda and it's relationship to constitutional reform, impacts on other governance perspectives, issues around the abolishment of state governments, growing movement in Australia to reform Federal governance arrangements, Governance arrangements are fundamental to improving the living circumstances and overcoming the disadvantage of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people, key elements of good governance are participation and accountability and opportunities for them to engage equitably with government, to be able to articulate their interests, mediate outcomes, and exercise their legal rights and obligations.